It's not just millennials. It's minorities too

Sanders beat Clinton with millennials in all but two states.
Then the DNC cheated Sanders out of the nomination. Millennials not only aren't coming around to Hillary, they are turning away in increasing numbers.

A national Quinnipiac poll showed Clinton capturing 31% of the vote among voters 18-to-34 years of age and a slim 5-point lead over Trump. In August Clinton had 48% of that vote and a 24-point lead over Trump.

A Fox News poll of the national electorate showed Clinton winning 37% of the youth vote and leading Donald Trump by 9 points. In August, the poll showed her support at 39% and leading Trump by 8 points.

In Ohio, a CBS/YouGov poll showed Clinton doing better with voters under 30, winning 51% of them and holding 32-point lead on Trump. But that number was down from August when Clinton won 57% of that vote and a held a 38-point lead.

A Detroit Free Press poll in Michigan showed a big dip among voters under 35. In the new poll she has 31% of that vote and a 7-point lead over Trump. In August she had 44% of that vote and a 24-point lead.

This trend can't continue for the Clinton campaign. Not if she hopes to win.

The problem is that this isn't the only leak that the S.S. Hillary Campaign has sprung.
She's also losing her edge with minority voters.

Trump saw a 16.5 percentage-point increase in backing from African-American voters in a Los Angeles Times/University of Southern California tracking poll, up from 3.1 percent on Sept. 10 to 19.6 percent through Friday.
Meanwhile, the same poll showed Clinton’s support among that group plummeting from 90.4 percent on Sept. 10 to 71.4 percent.

This seemed like an outlier to me, so I didn't give it much thought, but then I spotted this.

"Hillary Clinton's campaign is in panic mode. Full panic mode," said Leslie Wimes, a South Florida-based president of the Democratic African-American Women Caucus.
"They have a big problem because they thought Obama and Michelle saying, 'Hey, go vote for Hillary' would do it. But it's not enough," Wimes said, explaining that too much of the black vote in Florida is anti-Trump, rather than pro-Clinton. "In the end, we don't vote against somebody. We vote for somebody."
Part of the problem Clinton faces is that Obama, the actual black president, is the toughest of acts to follow. Obama enjoyed support from 95 percent of Florida’s black voters in both 2012 and 2008, according to exit polls.
Clinton isn’t polling quite that well in a state that has nearly 1.7 million black voters. An average of the last three Florida polls that provided racial breakdowns shows she’s polling less than 85 percent among African-American voters in Florida, while Trump polls around 5 percent.
It’s not just Clinton’s margins with black voters that concerns Democrats. It’s whether African-American voters turn out in force for her in a pivotal state whose 29 electoral votes are essential to the GOP nominee's path to an Electoral College victory. A loss in Florida all but guarantees a Trump defeat on Election Day.
Clinton faces a similar potential problem with Hispanic voters.

If you assume that black voter turnout drops just 5% in 2016 and that Hillary's support drops from 95% to 70% that could cost her over 500,000 votes in a state that Obama only won by roughly 75,000.
Hillary is still winning with minorities in Florida, but not overwhelmingly.

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The S.S. Hillary Campaign is springing leaks all over the place, and she's got the entire Democratic establishment working the pumps in order to keep this ship afloat 6 more weeks.
They better pray for blue skies and calm seas.
It's going to be very, very close. They may make it to shore. They may not.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

to help them, but if Trump starts to pull away from her over the next month, the optics of her "win" will not be plausible. That's what's fussing them, I think.

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Putin would love to see Hillary Clinton elected. She's pushing Cold War 2.0 very hard and that gives Putin the external enemy he needs to tighten his stranglehold on Russia and enrich his buddy oligarchs that own the Russian defense industry.

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The people suffered greatly after Yeltsin turned the country into a Neoliberal Hell. Putin re-asserted the State and life expectancy is now up as is standard of living. Putin's party just won big in the recent election.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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A brilliant summation of Putin's rise and the reinstatement by Orthodoxy of its dictator.

Watch from about 3min.

Putin is an authoritarian pussy; a little, nationalistic punk wannabe.

But he's got nothing on these three beautiful, real punks, of Pussy Riot:

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THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

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They were jailed on a complaint from the church, not the Russian government.

On February 21, 2012, five young women , scantily-clad in bright colors and wearing balaclavas to cover their faces,barged into the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in central Moscow and took their place in front of the High Altar. They began to shout obscenities, calling the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church a "bitch" and inserting scatological language into liturgical phrases. The women were accompanied by technicians who filmed the performance and, later, the words uttered by the performers were revised to refer to President Putin. Offended worshippers on the spot heard the anti-Christian obscenities, not any "political" message.
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Aroused by deceptive newspaper articles claiming that the women were being put on a "show trial" for merely "singing a song in church", a whole galaxy of Western pop stars, from Paul McCartney to Madonna to Bjork, rushed to the defense of their (supposed) fellow artists, now imperiled by the "dictator" Putin. Singers who earn millions of dollars can easily be persuaded that they have a moral obligation to say a few words to "save the world" from something evil or another.

Pussy Riot was a recent offshoot of a group of anarchist provocateurs called Vouna (war). Nadezhda Tolokonnikova's partner (and the father of her child) was a leader of the collective which had had a history of public actions that would get people into trouble anywhere in the world: public fornication in the Timiryazev Museum in Moscow (Tolokonnikova took part while visibly pregnant), throwing live cats at employees of am McDonald's restaurant in Moscow, firebombings and attacks on police cars. and - maybe the oddest stunt of them all - a woman stealing a chicken from a supermarket by stuffing it up her vagina. All of it was filmed for the internet.
from Queen of Chaos by Diana Johnstone

Freedom fighters standing up to a dictator, or publicity hungry loons ?

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The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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...gives Putin the external enemy he needs to tighten his stranglehold on Russia

Is that like saying the US creates foreign boogymen to tighten their stranglehold on the American people and force them to labor for the funds needed for foreign adventurism and luxuries for the elite?

Did anyone tell the Russian people about this stranglehold? Do the American people know that they are strangleheld?

Or does that mean, perhaps, that the Russian Presidential elections are just as corrupt and bogus as the US elections?

Or is stranglehold just a propaganda word that no one can define because it is a nothingburger?

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Is that like saying the US creates foreign boogymen to tighten their stranglehold on the American people and force them to labor for the funds needed for foreign adventurism and luxuries for the elite?

Exactly.

To crib GEICO's latest series of slogans yet again: if you're the head of a superpower state, it's what you do.

Or, as you yourself put it:

Or does that mean, perhaps, that the Russian Presidential elections are just as corrupt and bogus as the US elections?

"All power corrupts absolutely." -- me

Most people can bear adversity; but if you wish to know what a man really is give him power. This is the supreme test. " -- Robert G. Ingersoll on Abraham Lincoln

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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Russia drops bunker-buster bombs on civilians in Aleppo for the same reason we drone-strike weddings in Afghanistan.

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... but crickets about both candidates meeting with Netanyahou. I guess war planning is cool if done with Israel, and accompanied by $38 billion in military aid. WTF!!!

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Trump's Russian connections in the "debate"? 'Cuz she's got 'em too. Russian oligarchs have donated to the Foundation and there was that unseemly uranium deal.

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The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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It is a development that has flummoxed Western nations and frustrated Russia’s motley band of oppositionists. Some of them say that Russians are too scared to speak their minds to pollsters. Others claim that the poll numbers are manipulated, although most Western polling firms arrive at similar figures.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/how-to-understand-putins-jaw...

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Western research (Pew)

Russians express increasingly negative views about the economic situation in their country. Roughly three-quarters (73%) say the Russian economy is bad, with only around a quarter (24%) saying it is good. In the months following the annexation of Crimea in 2014, positive economic attitudes had risen to 44%. But the fall in the price of oil and Western sanctions have led to a 20 percentage point drop in positive economic sentiments in the past year, despite recent signs that the economic downturn might be less severe than anticipated.

Young Russians, those ages 18 to 29, are the most likely to hold positive views about the economy, yet only 32% say it is doing well, compared with 19% of Russians ages 50 and older

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Whether it is for his handling of relations with other countries, such as China, the U.S., Ukraine, or the European Union (EU), or for domestic issues, such as energy policy, the economy and corruption, Putin gets high marks from the Russian people. Majorities approve of his handling of each issue, and he is especially praised for his foreign policy.


Russians do not like the U.S. and other Western powers. Only 15% of Russians have a favorable view of the U.S., with 81% holding an unfavorable opinion. Similarly, only 12% of Russians have positive views of NATO. Even opinions of the EU (31% favorable) and Germany (35%) are at all-time lows. In fact, since 2011, positive views of Germany have fallen 43 percentage points. Similar drops in favorability also occurred in views of the U.S. (down 41 points), the EU (down 33) and NATO (down 25) since 2011.


Most Russians agree that Western sanctions are having an effect on the economy, but there is a split as to whether it is those sanctions or falling oil prices that are the main culprit for the economic downturn. In all, 45% of Russians say sanctions are having a major effect on the economy, with a further 41% saying they are having a minor effect. Only 8% say they are having no effect at all.

A third of Russians say that Western sanctions are causing the most harm to their economy, and another third say that falling oil prices are to blame. Only a quarter fault the economic woes on current government policies.


At the top of the list, nine-in-ten Russians approve of Putin’s handling of relations with China. The two countries have seen a marked increase in cooperation recently, as energy ties and opposition to U.S. policies have forged a common cause between the two powers. But Russians also praise Putin for his relations with the U.S. (85% approve), Ukraine (83%), and the EU (82%), even as he faces sanctions from the U.S. and EU for his actions in eastern Ukraine.


While opinions of the EU and Germany are not as bleak, majorities in Russia have negative views of these powers. Six-in-ten Russians have an unfavorable opinion of the EU, and 56% have a negative view of the EU’s largest economic power, Germany. Only around a third have positive opinions of the EU (31%) and Germany (35%).

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/6-charts-showing-how-rus...

There is NO Putin 'stranglehold', just a world getting sick of the US trying to inflict itself and its policies where they aren't needed OR wanted.

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I read a lot about Russia, called Midnight in Siberia by NPR "reporter" David Green. He was traveling on the Trans-Siberian and everywhere he went he kept asking people, aren't you oppressed, don't you hate the evil dictator Putin ? They all shrugged. The truth is that the Russians are much better off now than they were under Yeltsin, the darling of the West, with his Neoliberal "grabitization" and "dermokratiya" (shitocracy). Ukrainians, not so much.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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about how much better life would be and how government corruption would all be cleaned up if the just broke away from Russia. Well now, life sucks even worse and the United States is propping up a bunch of neo-nazis, which isn't surprising because it also supports the terrorist narco-military government coup in Honduras that made Honduras the murder capital of the world. That's the type of people that the 'New' Democrats prefer to do business with.

The Ukraine's government should just see if Vickie would just bake them another batch of chocolate chip cookies.

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though I can't say what's in his head, really. But Hillary Clinton wants at the very least a robust Cold War, more bellicose than the last one, and it looks to me like what she really wants is a hot one.

I don't think Putin actually wants a hot war between superpowers. Certainly Lavrov doesn't.

It's possible that all the fighting btw them is kabuki, but I don't think so. I think Hill wants to whale on another superpower, and China's too scary. And holds too much of our debt, perhaps.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Wed, 09/28/2016 - 6:57pm — edg

And Putin, too.

Putin would love to see Hillary Clinton elected. She's pushing Cold War 2.0 very hard and that gives Putin the external enemy he needs to tighten his stranglehold on Russia and enrich his buddy oligarchs that own the Russian defense industry.

No, believe me, he wouldn't - Hillary/the Corporate Empire plans nuclear war-crimes aimed at Russia, China, Iran and apparently some other places better equipped for self-defence than the usual smaller, less wealthy but typically fossil-fuel rich victims of US Business Interest military invasion at US public expense - not that they've succeeded in killing off resistance with the world's largest military at their command.

But nothing would long survive this, not even the greed-maddened Greeds...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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four or 5 pt. lead (or more) before election day to tweak the margins. It don't look good if voters tell the media, "I don't know anyone who voted for the (witch)." But I'm sure the Supremes got her back, so... maybe it doesn't make a diff.

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"The only reason you Bernie bros aren't voting for us is that you're a bunch of sexists and racists!"

The Clinton camp now:

"Come on, Bernie bros, you have to join us so we can call the Trump people a bunch of sexists and racists!"

I guess the plan isn't working.

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That is perfect!

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Tomorrow's print edition, online now
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/enabler-or-family-defender-how-hill...

Please don't chortle or gurgle with glee while eating popcorn.
Shawn Boburg needs 24/7 guarding. Not kidding.

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“She had to do what she had always done before: swallow her doubts, stand by her man and savage his enemies,” Stephanopoulos wrote, describing Hillary Clinton’s reaction.

The hell she didn't have to savage his enemies, which includes all the women who accused bill of improper conduct.

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If Bernie supporters are all violent sexists and racists, shouldn't she be running against them?

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"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." --Abraham Lincoln

Actually, that wasn't said by Abraham Lincoln; it was written by Robert G. Ingersoll about Lincoln. source

Lincoln's life, obviously, was still the inspiration for the quip; but alas, it wasn't Lincoln himself who quipped it.....

Wink

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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AFTER she became the nominee. Anyone remember her campaign saying that?
And don't forget what happened in Nevada and what Boxer said about Bernie's supporters.
And of course the only reason she wants us to get her elected is so that she can screw us after she is.
I have the quote and the link in my comments and will try to find it.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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"Some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up," Clinton told a labor union audience Wednesday in Philadelphia. "In a number of important areas, he doesn't have a plan at all."
It's the latest chapter in Clinton's approach to Sanders. She's tried ignoring him, brushing him aside, gently dismissing his policies. The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some good will alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight?
No more, a top adviser told CNN. The fight is on. Extending an olive branch to Sanders' supporters "will come later," an adviser said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-de...

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Policy work for you, Madam Secretary?

Is this another example of the Judgement You'll bring to the presidency?

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Thu, 09/29/2016 - 12:07am — snoopydawg

Hillary was going to extend an olive branch to us after she won

"Some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up," Clinton told a labor union audience Wednesday in Philadelphia. "In a number of important areas, he doesn't have a plan at all."
It's the latest chapter in Clinton's approach to Sanders. She's tried ignoring him, brushing him aside, gently dismissing his policies. The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some good will alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight?
No more, a top adviser told CNN. The fight is on. Extending an olive branch to Sanders' supporters "will come later," an adviser said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-de...

Well, the hickory switch she was originally going to beat Bernie supporters over the head with wasn't hard enough to suit her, so she went for the heaviest olive branch she could swing easily... only the results so far have been the pits.

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That she had 'The South' all wrapped up?

Perhaps someone in her campaign can nudge her awake, fly her down there so she can do her southern drawl, and 'be at one' with the local population.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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I don't want the Dementor down here.

Of course, she'd probably only be talking to Black people (Why aren't you supporting me like you were in the primary? I need you!)

But I don't wish that on the Black citizens of FL either.

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During the debate, Trump stated that the economy is in a bubble right now. (No one seems to have paid any attention to that remark.) If signs of that bubble bursting start showing heavily in October, the HRC campaign will be clinging to the iceberg shards.

By the way, what is holding up Assange's promised leaks?

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Gëzuar!!
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I meant no one in corporate media or the pundits said anything. Trump recognizes it and no one says a word.

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Clinton campaign in ‘panic mode’ over Florida black voters

But Democrats are beginning to worry that too many African-American voters are uninspired by Clinton’s candidacy, leading her campaign to hit the panic button this week and launch an all-out blitz to juice-up voter enthusiasm.

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Please excuse the self-quote:

Regardless of what national polls say about the debate, I think Trump won with the voters he needed to reach, rustbelt voters who have been the biggest victims of globalism. That doesn't just mean whites. Polling shows his critique of the problems in Black and Hispanic communities that have voted Democratic for decades is already cutting into Hillary's lead, because people in these places know better than anyone how violent crime is destroying their communities. Trump was at his most coherent on this topic, and a lot of more conservative Hispanics and Blacks will appreciate his tough talk about getting guns off the streets.

Trump has been actively courting minority voters in big cities (Hillary's core of cores) by basically asking 'What has voting Democratic all these years really gotten you?"

It's a good question, and one which appears to be paying off for him.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

As we recall, when we criticized Bill's signing of the crime bill & Hillary's support of it, including her super predator speech, we were told to cut it out, that the A-A community was begging for tough measures because things were so bad in the 80s.

If trump gets support from his tough talk, I believe "hoisted by there own petard" will apply.

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Only observing that more and more of them are.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

That they won't lose to/with the Dems anyway? The poorer you are, theyruer it is. The Party can't abandon Democratic values and expect Democrats to vote for them.

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The police have killed over 765 this year and how many have been charged for it?
Black people have been protesting the killings for over 2 years and what has come from that? What has Obama's justice department's investigations accomplished?
After Tamir was killed, the DOJ investigated the Cleveland PDand found that the problems that they were told to fix when they were investigated 10 years previously hadn't been done. So what good does it do to investigate them, find problems and tell them to fix them if there is no follow up to make sure they do it?
How has the black employment rate changed since he was elected?
I know that more people applied for food stamps after he was elected, because people couldn't find decent paying jobs but because of the rules made during welfare reform, millions of people were kicked off the program in June.
Obama signed the farm bill that allowed for a $4 billion cut to the food stamps program while giving more subsidies to the farmers. And most of the farmers aren't the mom and pop family farms but the huge agricultural industry farms.
I agree with Trump. What has voting for the democrats gotten people?
Obama hid behind republican obstruction for most of his two terms, and pre caved on many of the deals he made with them.
The GOP were supposed to be done for decades after the disastrous Bush terms, yet one election later and they held the House.
DWS let that happen and instead of firing her, Obama let her keep her job because IMO, it gave him cover to not be able to pass his legislation.
Plus so many states got republican governors because DWS couldn't bother finding and funding decent democratic people to run against them.
So thanks to Obama, DWS and the cowardice of the democrats, more people are hurting economically because of what the republican governors are doing in their states.
Obama had the biggest mandate of any president and look at what he did with it.

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Millennials, the minority voters, the Bernie or Bust ( us) and now Shawn Boburg in tomorrow's WashPost "goes there."
Anyone betting on pictures of Chelsea and Webb Hubbell soon?
Juanita Broaddrick is at bat now too. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/28/juanita-broaddrick-to-ch...

Mostly, what's Assange got?

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I didn't succeed in embedding as I wished, but you gotta see this:

https://www.facebook.com/drjillstein/photos/a.267467419960122.70392.2409...

15 million total impressions!

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I was going to watch the DN! Version but got turned off by the duopoly candidates being on it too. But I can see people coming in later and getting their feed. If it doesn't have ads, it would be about the same length as the original, so win-win.

What is really interesting is that the number of impressions from FB and other media outlets dwarfed the periscope feed the campaign set up. This kind of guerrilla media leverage is what is really needed to grow a third party.

Another telling thing in the third party space today was Johnson's NYT editorial. He clearly knows where part of his audience is these days.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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I'm not sure what an impression measures exactly. If 1 impression = 1 person, then those numbers are incredible as Jill only needs about 6 million votes in order to get past the 5% mark based on 2012 number of voters.

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and implore and make it personal. Then they ask us for money, because they (and their nominee's campaign) demonstrate such swell judgment and are so tuned in to the electorate and so savvy about using donations effectively?

Hillary Clinton dwarfs Donald Trump in TV ad spending (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2016-election-numbers-hillary-clinton-donald...)--and continues to drop in the polls. One might begin to think the problem is the candidate. Madison Avenue tactics can't work miracles on voters who are both tuned in and turned off.

With every conceivable advantage and cheating, Hillary Clinton can't decisively beat a 73-year-old Democratic Socialist or Donald Fricking Trump.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

Once Hillary got the victory fund up & running, pretty much every web page I went to had one of those "I'm with her" ads on one of the side columns.

Tuesday after the debate when I went to the WaPost's web page she had a huge banner across the top of the page.

I know Internet ads don't cost much, but they still cost something & they have them plastered everywhere. And not 1 cent that they spent on those is effective with me. And I can't believe they are effective with many others.

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Clinton's been blowing through big bucks for months and still had to cheat to "beat" Sanders, and she dropped another $50 mil and keeps sinking, not even treading water. Against the Donald.

Hillary Clinton is a low-potential high achiever who keeps failing upward, like Bill's good friend George W. Bush.

Good to see that Jill Stein's alternative Democracy Now debate has reached 15 million views.

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can't listen to a music video these days without Hillary balderdash in the way.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Hey, one way or another, the Corporatocracy and their enablers will get all you have, votes, money/property, rights, so you might just as well hand it over now to make it easier for them to finish taking it all from everywhere.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

elenacarlena's picture

I wonder if a number of the blacks she's losing will vote Green, given the selection of Ajamu Baraka as VP, among other issues?

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we DFH from the 60's and 70's. I told hubby I didn't hear her address one thing about Social Security and SSDI. We've paid into the social security --Insurance-- fund all our working lives (for me, that goes all the way back to age 9). And yet, no word of raising the "cap," of increasing monthly payments, etc? In fact, all WE have to refer to is her agreement with Obama and the Repugs on "restructuring," "private accounts," and indexing that goes yet even further from the reality of life for the 60+ group.

GW killed a a huge hunk of our retirement accounts, if not completely cleaning them out. Our Oligarchs, Corporate America, finds no problem breaking employment contracts by filing bankruptcy, reorganizing, and pleading poverty regarding their employees company retirement plans.

Women who've fought our whole lives to make a decent wage and "put some away" for retirement end up automatically behind the 8-ball from the very start, regardless of what "career path" they took.

Secretary? Admin Assist? Nurse? Teacher? Mental Health worker? .... oh, I'm sorry, that's just so stereotypical "female work..." It's not "hard work" and therefore just isn't as VITAL as the all important male, executive work, ya know... so of course, it'll pay as close to minimum as they can get away with.

Buck the stereotype and go into male-dominated fields instead? The majority of us didn't get any further with that career track, either. The men were always paid more... sometimes WAY more... for exactly the same work, even the same job title! While men who knew far less than I about technology found it easy to pull in $100k+ in our hay-day, the highest I was EVER allowed to go in salary was $72k - and that was in gov't contracting! Of course, then they started "in-sourcing" all the jobs once again, and even those salaries got cut anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3 of what we had been making.

And now, all around me people who are 40-45 are laid off, fired, and riffed-out of the tech field. Smart-as-a-whip men and women... thrown out the back door with the trash because they're "too old" (re: actually know the work and make more than minimum wage!)

And yet NO ONE even acknowledges that the long-term unemployed "older" worker even exists anymore. There is no safety net for us. And, as some of us are just a few years away from finally ... maybe ... being able to retire on SS's pittance, the only words bandied about are "cutting," "right-sizing," "re-indexing," and "privatizing." And WE are left to wonder how we're suppose to keep from starving to death while fighting the pain in our bodies and souls for lack of meds we can't afford (if we can even get them prescribed... and dispensed... in the first place!).

No wonder they absolutely do NOT want gun regulations. I firmly believe they hope each of us puts a gun to our head and ends their misery of us once we hit that "no longer a member of productive society" stage.

Just remember - Soylent Green is made of People!

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... I told hubby I didn't hear her address one thing about Social Security and SSDI. ...

If you have any relatives who were in the audience at any of Hillary's Wall Street Bankster speeches, they can probably fill you in re what she intends to do with our Social Security funds.

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CambridgePulsar1919's picture

The suicide rate for people who can see 'retirement' on the horizon, but cannot afford it, is skyrocketing.

The DEMOcratic party, the party of the people, does not give 2 shits. They got theirs.

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Not only did they "borrow" it interest free and never pay it back, they keep telling us where, how, when and if we can spend it.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon